On June 10, 2025, Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, a Texas-based ENT specialist, left Joe Rogan visibly shaken during a bombshell interview on The Joe Rogan Experience.

Her chilling revelations about hospital practices during the COVID-19 pandemic, coupled with alarming data on vaccine effects, painted a grim picture of medical misconduct and shattered narratives around public health.

Bowden, a vocal advocate for medical freedom, detailed practices she claims amounted to deliberate euthanasia in hospitals, sparking outrage and reigniting debates over COVID protocols.

“Hospitals were euthanizing COVID patients to free up beds, and that was not an uncommon practice,” Bowden told Rogan, citing a case involving a 19-year-old girl with Down syndrome named Grace Schara.

“They gave her a DNR order, even though she didn’t have one,” she said, referencing a Wisconsin lawsuit alleging battery after Grace’s death from a morphine injection in 2021.

Rogan, stunned, pressed her: “Wait, wait, wait. So they were in the hospital with COVID and they gave them something to kill them?”

Bowden confirmed, “Yeah, that happened all [the time]. They give them morphine and insulin.”

She added, “I’ve reviewed charts in this situation. They said, ‘Well, they’re going to die anyway.’”

Bowden’s claims didn’t stop there. She revealed stark differences in spike protein antibody levels between her patients.

“People that have gotten the shots, a lot of them are off the chart. They’re over 25,000,” she said, sharing data from her practice: vaccinated patients averaged 13,427, compared to 1,323 for unvaccinated.

“Whoa,” Rogan responded, sighing deeply. Bowden’s viral X post had laid it out:

“46 unvaccinated - Range: 3.2 – 9,438 - Mean: 1,323 · 83 vaccinated - Range: 335 – >25,000 - Mean: 13,427.”

Her findings, echoing earlier concerns raised on Tucker Carlson’s show, suggest lingering vaccine impacts, with Bowden noting, “I do have friends at MD Anderson, and they said they’ve never seen anything like it,” referring to young patients with advanced tumors.

Rogan, reflecting on his own COVID experience, shared a new detail about his 2021 ivermectin post, which drew fire from establishment figures. “This was never about public health,” he said, praising Bowden and Dr. Robert Malone as “fearless truth-tellers who felt morally obligated to tell the truth.”

Bowden, suspended by Houston Methodist Hospital for challenging COVID narratives, emphasized her commitment:

“Despite the backlash, I’ve remained committed to the Hippocratic Oath, successfully treating over 6,000 COVID patients without a single death.”

Critics, however, question her claims. The Texas Medical Board filed a complaint against Bowden in 2023 for promoting ivermectin and vaccine skepticism, though she continues to practice.

“That is such a terrifying thought that someone would just decide so many people are dying,” Rogan said, grappling with her allegations.

Attorney Tom Renz, testifying before the Pennsylvania State Senate, backed her claims, stating, “When you get admitted for COVID, they get paid more. The more they killed, the more money they made.”

The interview, a shocking revelation, drew strong reactions.

“Dr. Bowden has a lot of pluck and the integrity to tell the truth without flinching,” one X user posted, while another called it “a must to hear.” As Bowden’s allegations fuel lawsuits like the Schara case, her exchange with Rogan has thrust hospital protocols back into the spotlight, demanding answers about a dark chapter in America’s pandemic response.

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